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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:01 am    Post subject: per-newsgroup settings Reply with quote

I'd like to request some per-newsgroups settings, akin to how right now there are only workgroup settings. Things I'd like to be able to tell newsmanpro *per newsgroup*:

- override global article grouping options (checkbox whether or not to group at all, and what grouping threshold to use), because one setting doesn't work for every newsgroup, and sticking it in the workgroup is still not good enough; it *also* needs to be settable per newsgroup.

- 'what to do when loading the headers for a big group', so that one can set a default action instead of constantly having to pick oldest/newest/date range/all every time you move focus to that newsgroup. (For some binaries, I only want the latest 5000 or so, but for something like comp.text.tex, I want all 145k messages.)

- default text encoding choice (with the ability to override it when writing a message)

- a checkboxable "show these columns:..." section, so we can quickly and in one go customise the column layout for individual newsgroups.


Basically, all the settings that are applied per workgroup should really also (note, ALSO, not "move to" =) be available per newsgroup, with a few more options for message loading and grouping per group.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: per-newsgroup settings Reply with quote

Pomax wrote:
I'd like to request some per-newsgroups settings, akin to how right now there are only workgroup settings. Things I'd like to be able to tell newsmanpro *per newsgroup*:


Overall, you probably aren't going to see "per newsgroup" settings. Each Workgroup should contain newsgroups that are similar enough that the source newsgroup is irrelevant. If they are not, you should split them into different Workgroups.

Pomax wrote:
- override global article grouping options (checkbox whether or not to group at all, and what grouping threshold to use), because one setting doesn't work for every newsgroup, and sticking it in the workgroup is still not good enough; it *also* needs to be settable per newsgroup.


Noted as a possible Workgroup option.

Pomax wrote:
- 'what to do when loading the headers for a big group', so that one can set a default action instead of constantly having to pick oldest/newest/date range/all every time you move focus to that newsgroup. (For some binaries, I only want the latest 5000 or so, but for something like comp.text.tex, I want all 145k messages.)


Noted as a possible Workgroup option.

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- default text encoding choice (with the ability to override it when writing a message)


This is derived from the encoding used in the message being replied to, and, IIRC, there is a global and Workgroup override for new messages.

Pomax wrote:
- a checkboxable "show these columns:..." section, so we can quickly and in one go customise the column layout for individual newsgroups.


Just right-click and use the context menus. I don't see the point of another dialog box for something you are only going to do on rare occasion.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Overall, you probably aren't going to see "per newsgroup" settings. Each Workgroup should contain newsgroups that are similar enough that the source newsgroup is irrelevant. If they are not, you should split them into different Workgroups.


Of course, you realise that this completely negates the point of making workgroups. If I cluster four "Japanese" newsgroups together, it's because they're about the same thing, not because they share the same workgroup filter settings.

In fact, having to group because the filter settings are the same makes no sense. That's why I already have countless just-one-newsgroup workgroups, which makes needing to stick a newsgroup in a workgroup before it can be checked out in the first place kind of silly, since any added benefit of a "workgroup" is lost.


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Just right-click and use the context menus. I don't see the point of another dialog box for something you are only going to do on rare occasion.


fair enough, but then at least change the way the context menu deals with it. Selecting or unselecting a checkbox should not kill the context menu again, it's a checkbox. It's quite maddeing (I add new newsgroups and kill off irrelevant ones again on a fairly regular basis. Not everyone uses news the same way).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you are saying regarding context (language, etc...) and content (what each group is about) when creating Workgroups, but NMP isn't designed to distinguish between the two. When a Workgroup is loaded, the underlying newsgroup "settings" would be ignored anyway. So what you are really asking for is to not use Workgroups and only use newsgroups, except in the rare (in your case) instance where the content and context are the same. Unfortunately, NMP isn't built to handle that, so you are stuck using single-group Workgroups to emulate what you are trying to achieve.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pomax wrote:
fair enough, but then at least change the way the context menu deals with it. Selecting or unselecting a checkbox should not kill the context menu again, it's a checkbox. It's quite maddeing (I add new newsgroups and kill off irrelevant ones again on a fairly regular basis. Not everyone uses news the same way).


I see. I wish I could, but there is no option to set the menus "sticky" as they are simply Windows-derived popup menus. I'll reconsider your dialog request...

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